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Originally posted by JonNJapan:
I agree. Hitler killed 6 million, but Stalin killed 10 million people. Mao Tse-Tung would come in a close second though.
Not quite... Hitler killed about 6 million Jews, and about 5 million other minority groups within his grasp. However, Stalin killed between 30-40 million people... it is really unknown because statistics were not kept well in the USSR. Most people overlook Stalin's wrath because it is not publicized as much as Hitlers, I think that is because the U.S at one time was supporting Stalin.
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[qb]Originally posted by Gizzy:
I disagree to an extent... As I stated they were terrible people for what they had done, if you put that aside for 3 seconds and look at what they did OTHER than, as allen put it, 'rape pillage & plunder' you actually see that they made their countries better (for a time man, for a time!)...[/qb]
Hitler did not help Germany that much, partly he was able to come into power because of the depression at the time, and his ability to use one of the key elements of dictatorship, direct of popular discontent to blame the problems of Germany on the Jews, minorities, and of course the communists. The only reason it looked like Hitler helped Germany so much was because the unemployment rates of "citizens" was deacresed to about 3% of the population... I put citizens in quotes because he eliminated all of the Jews from being citizens in the Nuremburg laws, and the rest of the German citizens who didn't have jobs were to join the army.
Stalin did some good, but it does not at all justify the casualties that it caused. Also, his idea of collectivization actually made the food situation worst because the farmers that owned many farms refused to abide, so Stalin killed many of them, and many were also deported.
Mao Zedong, I know somewhat about... but I don't think he has killed as many people as Stalin. I have to say that he has to be one of the worst leaders in history. Not only because the re-education camps, or the whole pedophile thing, though that is very wrong, he was not the brightest. Like when he tried to industrialize China to get more citizens on his side, he set out tons of propaganda to get people to make steel. While everyone was creating steel, they forgot to grow food, resulting in somewhat of The Great Famine situation in Stalin's reign.
Okay I'm done. I vote Stalin, talking about this stuff interests me.
