#81110
02/03/2002 8:16 AM
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Hello Is it possible to integrate UBB in PostNuke? (have a look at http://www.ubbdesign.com/) if so.. How is this beeing done? I think of sharing the same SQL database, databasetables, memberlist and registration. It will not be a good idea to integrate if people have to register both in PostNuke and in UBB. I am planning to start a website, and I will use PostNuke. But I am not shure what Bulletin Board to use for this. UBB looks fine, but if its not possible to integrate, I guess I have to look for something else. One main reason for asking this now, is that I came over the http://www.ubbdesign.com/ and I can see they use both PostNuke and UBB. Thanks
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#81111
02/04/2002 12:10 AM
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No it cannot be interegated with UBB. Post Nuke uses PHP and UBB uses CGI. They don't mix. UBBDesign's post nuke is in no way interegated into the UBB.
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#81112
02/04/2002 1:01 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Lord Dexter:
Post Nuke uses PHP and UBB uses CGI.
No. PostNuke uses PHP, UBB uses perl. Both are scripting languages, both can be used to build CGI applications.
That is not the problem.
The problem is that PostNuke stores it's users in a MySQL database and though perl is perfectly comfortable with that UBB is not. It uses flat text files.
Picture perfect penmanship here.
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#81113
02/04/2002 2:31 AM
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My bad. Well the MySQL Database is another problem. 
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#81114
02/04/2002 3:24 AM
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Have you read this thread? https://ubbdev.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=28;t=000471 Will be much nicer than postnuke and seamless with your forum/member database 
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#81115
02/04/2002 3:59 AM
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maybe he meant something more independent of ubb
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#81116
02/04/2002 4:14 AM
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Well maybe the htaccess hack could be modified for writting in a mysql database, it could do the trick ....
Do you believe in love at first sight,
or should I walk by again?
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#81117
02/04/2002 4:15 PM
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Allen quote:
Originally posted by AllenAyres:
Have you read this thread?
https://ubbdev.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=28;t=000471
Will be much nicer than postnuke and seamless with your forum/member database
Allen, thanks for pointing to that article.
I liked the enthusiasm in what I read, nice to see people eager to develope something useful.
But you only think of developing something that is ONLY usefull IF the UBB is the center of the universe...and that is too bad, considered that UBB has a lot of potencial as the best BBSystem today.
navaho
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Originally posted by navaho:
The problem is that PostNuke stores it's users in a MySQL database and though perl is perfectly comfortable with that UBB is not. It uses flat text files.
navaho, you are running a business..huh?
....and I have money...and I am not the only one.
UBB is the best bulletin board I know of, but I cant use it. Reason for this, is the fact that although you are capable of making the code, you dont want to.
You dont want to sell your product to people that wants the best of both worlds.
I dont understand why. You say UBB is not compatible with MySQL course UBB uses flat text files.
Then I would say CHANGE IT!!
I am an "open source" guy, but if open source is not good enough I pay for what I want to use.
So, If I am willing to pay...what do you imaging is the case with corporate users?
Is UBB a little club of infopop, ubbdev and a group of module developers? ...or are you capable of deliver what the rest of us wants?
Read this article from Linuxlookups and take a look at this website.
There is a lot of quality minded webmasters out there, that simply cant understand why you are not letting us use your great product.
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#81118
02/04/2002 4:24 PM
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navaho
YABB uses MySQL..why cant you do the same?
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#81119
02/04/2002 4:32 PM
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More than Yabb uses mysql, what is your point? What forum you use is your choice... we are developing for the best one out there, I don't understand why we would wanna integrate it with buggy software when we are capable of developing something nicer. Open Source doesn't mean quality necessarily.
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#81120
02/04/2002 4:38 PM
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We don't use MySQL because the UBB is not designed for it, and it can not use it properly without completely, totally rewriting the UBB.
The Open Source debate has no meaning here. What does it have to do with the UBB using files rather than MySQL?
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#81121
02/04/2002 4:42 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by AllenAyres:
Open Source doesn't mean quality necessarily.
No, but it doesnt necessarily mean ****ty software..does it?
My point is, to mangle the best of both worlds..and in my opinion that must be PostNuke and UBB. But ok, I understand that you didnt like the latest speach of Bill Clinton...as he talked about the fact;
"If you dont want big walls around your property to protect your children to make a world for them, you have to make a wold for every child."
Why are you so affraid of making the UBB the best choice for EVERYONE?
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#81122
02/04/2002 4:47 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Charles Capps:
We don't use MySQL because the UBB is not designed for it, and it can not use it properly without completely, totally rewriting the UBB.
The Open Source debate has no meaning here. What does it have to do with the UBB using files rather than MySQL?
Well, then rewrite the UBB then, and make more money, and some more people happy
About open source, I dont speak of that at all...just Allen making some point of it.
It's easy to attack my arguments by shooting at the fact that I mentioned open source, but open source is not what this thread is about...is it?
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#81123
02/04/2002 4:48 PM
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Your reasoning has none... If you already own ubb, why *wouldn't* you want something seamlessly integrated with it? Why port buggy software when it can be done better? And what does EVERYONE have to do with UBB? EVERYONE doesn't own UBB, UBB owners do, and they'll be getting something that works better than postnuke.
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#81124
02/04/2002 4:52 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Charles Capps:
We don't use MySQL because the UBB is not designed for it, and it can not use it properly without completely, totally rewriting the UBB.
I don't want to intrude or anything, because I admittedly don't know much about the technical side of UBB or SQL or what have you. But I thought that was the point of the ubb_file*.cgi files. Like, all/most file access is handled through the subs in those files. So if that's truly the case, wouldn't it just boil down to telling those subroutines to write to or read from a mysql db rather than the text files they go to now?
Ok, now I'm gonna back out of the room slowly before I get large blunt objects thrown at me. 
---Jamin
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#81125
02/04/2002 4:56 PM
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There's a signifigant difference between getting UBB to use MySQL and getting UBB to effectively use MySQL.
It's trivial to store member and topic data in MySQL.. it's trivial to adapt the metadata and forum_#.threads files to no longer exist... it's trivial to get the memberslist from a database.
It's not trivial to place anything created via WriteHashToFile into the database. In fact, it's nearly impossible. Hashes on disk that are require()ed/do()ne are nearly impossible to just store away properly without retrofitting the calling code. That's the current stumbling block.
JustAnother: Infopop can and will not let UBB6 stay as it is while we spend up to a year developing a new generation UBB, getting it tested, bug free, and released. We can not afford to let our chief product get stagnant. It happend once, and never, ever again.
When the time comes for major change, we will need to do it without interrupting the advancement of the 6 series.
UBB.classic: Love it or hate it, it was mine.
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#81126
02/04/2002 5:00 PM
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Allen and Charles
You two sound like you are deeply offended by the fact that the world has moved on, and the technology are making SQL awaylable for future minded webmasters.
I have observed you for a long time...seen these annoying "SQL questions" making your lifes miserable.
You dont seem to see the fact, that I consider UBB the BEST bulletin board system I know of. It doesnt make you happy that I want to use UBB combined with something else than YOU decide.
Thats too bad.
SQL is the future, not some text files.
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#81127
02/04/2002 5:03 PM
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But OK, I'll rest my case, this is a dead end
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#81128
02/04/2002 5:03 PM
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I'm not offended, I'm just annoyed that you're ignoring what we're saying. In case you didn't know, I'm the guy in charge of the UBB code. I know what I'm talking about, trust me.
UBB.classic: Love it or hate it, it was mine.
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#81129
02/04/2002 5:04 PM
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I am happy for you... and you are welcome to modify ubb and postnuke to your satisfaction, it's your choice
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#81130
02/04/2002 5:08 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Charles Capps:
I'm not offended, I'm just annoyed that you're ignoring what we're saying.
In case you didn't know, I'm the guy in charge of the UBB code. I know what I'm talking about, trust me.
Yes, and I want to use your software, but I cant, and many with me.
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#81131
02/04/2002 5:10 PM
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why can't you use ubb? and if you can't, what makes it the best if you can't use it?
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#81132
02/04/2002 5:17 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by AllenAyres:
why can't you use ubb? and if you can't, what makes it the best if you can't use it?
Allen, I dont think your argument in this particular posting can be counted as a rational argument in this debate 
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#81133
02/04/2002 5:19 PM
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Respect to all of you, I am resting my case. This is not getting anywhere, and I would like to see what other things ubbdev has to offer a curious soul
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#81134
02/04/2002 5:38 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by JustAnotherOne:
quote:
Originally posted by AllenAyres:
why can't you use ubb? and if you can't, what makes it the best if you can't use it?
Allen, I dont think your argument in this particular posting can be counted as a rational argument in this debate
that wasn't an argument, it was a question
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#81135
02/04/2002 5:45 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by AllenAyres:
that wasn't an argument, it was a question
Yeah..and I am Queen Elisabeth..
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#81136
02/04/2002 5:51 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by JustAnotherOne:
quote:
Originally posted by AllenAyres:
that wasn't an argument, it was a question
Yeah..and I am Queen Elisabeth..
Actually it was a question didn't you note the question mark? That generally indicates a question.
Anyways. Is it possible to Get UBB working with PostNuke yes. Anything is possible.
It would probably be easier to get it working with PHPNuke because the way that PostNuke handles the user data is a bit different the PHPNuke. The passwords are encrypted.
Not only that but even if you get the two integrated it will be a big pain in the arse to maintain the integration.
Why? Becuase if the user changes his password via UBB it's not going to be changed via Nukeflavor.
Same with the profiles.
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#81137
02/04/2002 6:05 PM
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If UBB does not work becuase it uses flat files is there a reason that UBBThreads, which is PHP and MySQL, will not?
Picture perfect penmanship here.
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#81138
02/04/2002 6:12 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by navaho:
If UBB does not work becuase it uses flat files is there a reason that UBBThreads, which is PHP and MySQL, will not?
That was my *next* question
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#81139
02/05/2002 12:14 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Charles Capps:
it's trivial to get the memberslist from a database.
i liked this part
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#81140
02/05/2002 12:15 AM
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Just wait for UBBPortal, it's kinda going to have similar features from the post nuke.
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