#84353
06/19/2002 1:47 PM
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I have noticed over the past year, a lot of the forums I goto are moving from UBB to VB. Thing is, I can't work out why. I do not like the look and style of VB and to me it seems a little more amaterish.
Plus all the hacks that are available on VB are available in some style or form for UBB. The only advantage that VB has, is it runs entirely with PHP while UBB does not, it merely runs off CGI and does have a PHP accelerator which most hacks just have problems with.
Now I know I am going to get a one sided opinion here and I am not asking which is better, what i am asking, is why are so many people transferring to VB? Is there some reason? Is it cheaper? Easier to hack?
Thankyou.
Hank
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#84354
06/19/2002 2:00 PM
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Most users that posted their reasons said that it's because their hosts made them, because UBB's flat files increase CPU usage a lot. I don't think so many of them moved because of the look, hacks, price, etc.
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#84355
06/19/2002 2:28 PM
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I never understood it either. I agree vB looks childish and amateurish and it's always been my experience that it is more time consuming to read a vB community because there seems to be transition pages for many more functions as compared to UBB. Also all the added graphics slow down us poor old dial up users.
I've been an active member in a few communities that switched to vB and soon after I've and many other members left to never return again. It may be faster on the server, but for the average visitor it is anything but.
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#84356
06/19/2002 2:51 PM
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I had to move to vB, because (like LK said) my host pretty much made me. I got an email, from my host, saying UBB was shut off, because it was creating too much server load. quote:
Originally posted by Hank:
Plus all the hacks that are available on VB are available in some style or form for UBB.
Not to create a forum war of some sort (because I love UBB as much as vB  ), but the vB hacks community has been spitting out hacks like there is no tomorrow, many of which you can't find a replica here on UBBDev unfortunately. I remember a thread on here recently which even stated that. I don't remember the thread's name, but it was about how UBBDev's community was getting smaller(?) or something.
Oh well, I am still using UBB, just not on my own server.
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#84357
06/19/2002 3:50 PM
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I think that is the main reason that infopop started to offer hosting...Can't sell a product that no hosts allow.
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#84358
06/19/2002 3:54 PM
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I doubt it. They were already providing hosting for Open Topic customers. Besides, hosting and O/T, UBB.x offers better cash flows for them -- collecting monthly fees rather than a one time license pop.
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#84359
06/19/2002 5:19 PM
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Let me say it again, go to www.digitalprinceton.net and your UBB will get a very warm welcome. Come on now, let's be honest. You can hack or modify either of them to look like what ever you want and the fact is that there are more diverse hacks for vB right now but I love my UBB and feel that I have a very unique site. I have always said that I prefered a database to flatfiles but my host likes UBB and I plan on being with them for a long time. I have other sites that are PHP and MySQL and I am open minded about a lot of products.
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#84360
06/19/2002 6:42 PM
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I had to switchbecause of my host also. I haven't made the swtch yet, but I'm supposed to have it done within the week. At first I hated vB, but now I'm beginning to like it. There's no need to bash the look of it, it is all changeable, and there are tons of hacks. I wish people would just chill out on the vB bashing thing here... Just because you don't use a product doesn't mean you should put it down. It seems like people that do that just do it to make the product they bought look better. Just MHO, though, I used to be a vB basher myself.
Also, it is much cheaper ($115 cheaper to be exact), which makes it a lot easier for the average person to get a license.
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#84361
06/20/2002 1:49 AM
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I work on a few vB's or used to and I never liked them as much as UBB. UBB is alot easier for me, and I love the hacks for it. But I agree with whoever said this, the vB hacking community is alot more active then our one in terms of hacks released. LK has been doing a great job with releasing over 20 hacks, but it's time we get some people like him to UBB.
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#84362
06/20/2002 2:03 AM
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im not trying to start a forum war so lets not get this topic closed like so many others...k?
ive moved mostly to vB but i have a ubb coming down the line. i find most people that run ubb do not get why people move over because they have never worked on one on the backend. i used to be the same. but here where my reasons
1. after losing s:c to hosting complecations 6 times i had to move to something less stressful on the server, but i will add that i had 106 hacks running so my ubb caused alot more stress on the host then most would, also mine way 6.05 witch did not have the .php files, however i did run the cgi buffer when it came out.
2. the mySQL backend, something that ive been beging for here has not come out, and infopop has not released a verson of ubb.classic with it..i dont want to move to ubb.t as its not ubb. and i want a forum on MY host so ubb.x is out of the question for me.
3. php is a earyer code for me so i can code for php based forums better then perl based forums
4. the vB hacking community has been spitting out alot of new hacks and ideas.
5. vB is cheaper then ubb.classic both on price and renew fee's. so i can put more money towards other things
6. vB has alot more fetures that makes life on the admin easyer. templates in the cp, style uploads and downloads. and a ubb skin for anyone thats moving over
all that said, i would like to add that infopop and ubbdev are picking up the ball here lately, myStyle and many other hacks have really bridged the gap. i would like to say thanks to all the hackers and infopop themselfs, tho i may not agree with some recent moves by infopop i will say as far as ubb.classic developent is going, its gotton alot better, and for thoese reasons ive decided to renew and run anthor ubb. i hope it will be as good as s:c was but only time will tell.
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#84363
06/20/2002 2:13 AM
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Sadly, I must agree with AL. Price wise, vB is looking alot better then UBB. As some people have told me, UBB is aimed at rich corporations that can afford these things easy but we aren't all from these things. If the price were to go down I guarentee people would go to UBB, and have a much larger comminity. I know I'm a little person in a big world but I feel like Infopop don't listen to their customers. A bad feeling, because all a customer wants is good service and get what they paid for. I think the UBB is worth how much it is now but not everyone sees it that way. Because vB looks better with it's cheaper price, and heaps of features in stock.
I know this thread will get closed, obviously. But listen for a change.
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#84364
06/20/2002 5:22 AM
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 don't tell us, go tell infopop. go, clutter up their community. it's not like they make a habit of reading threads over here. we're paying customers too  topic closed.... kidding... well, maybe not... we'll see... Oh! I know why people switch to vB... cuz, they're.... Lamerz.... sorry.... couldn't resist.... eh, whatever floats your boat I say.
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#84365
06/20/2002 6:57 AM
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Ooooh I was reading the vB support forum today and they are being mean to UBB. 
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#84366
06/20/2002 7:44 AM
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any products suport forum will do everything they can to promote their products over anthor companys. infpop dose it, jelsoft dose it, pepsi dose it, coke dose it, mac dose it, microsoft dose it. its more money for them.
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#84367
06/20/2002 7:52 AM
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And how they always compare it to something similar...
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#84368
06/20/2002 9:03 AM
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Gosh...I didn't know that there was a Pepsi Development Community  We're not cheerleaders, just a bunch of geeks that like to tinker. Rah-Rah and all that
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#84369
06/20/2002 9:07 AM
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i sould have re phrased that post ![[Linked Image]](https://ubbdev.com/ubb/icons/icon15.gif) . the point is it dosent matter what you buy or who you buy from their rivals are ganna do anything they can to sell you on their product
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#84370
06/20/2002 2:28 PM
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Well the problem in my opinion is that UBB is great for small to medium sized boards but once it grows large it chokes even on a large dedicated server (been there done that). The PhP accelerator helps but as noted really causes problems with modifications. VB's combination of PhP and MySQL is faster and is scalable with less system resources needed.
The only reason I did not switch is I felt that we could do a better job customizing the systems code vs how the other bulletin boards were coded since we did not have to cater to a market but rather only our system. I did look at all the other offerings and was made offers by more then 1 to make the switch.
While I see IPs reasoning behind not going with anything other then the pure basic server requirements I have to question how this will fare out in the future as PhP, MySQL and others are redily available, require little work to add to the server and will reduce over head tremendously. Wasn't it Bill Gates who exclaimed once that we will never need more then 640k?
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#84371
06/20/2002 3:33 PM
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I think our host ( Pair ) is anti-vB. We get PHP and mySQL support. but we can only use 5 x 20Mb Databases. And you can't store HTML or binary files in them. So that pretty much screws vB over at the first hurdle. As for my preference. UBB is more professional looking, whilst vB could be aimed at the personal market. Also i've seen vB throw up a lot more errors than UBB in my time, usually something to do with the DB. UBB IMO is more reliable. BTW I still like vB, just not as much.
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#84372
06/20/2002 7:45 PM
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OK. Thanx everyone for the reasons. Another question though, why does Infopop not resort to using PHP more? More like Vb?
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#84373
06/20/2002 9:55 PM
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Just to throw something else out there, what about ubb.x and ubb.threads? I don't believe comparing VB to UBB is fair, I think comparing ubb.x and ubb.threads would be a better comparison. UBB is really in its own category anymore. As someone earlier in this thread stated, UBB is really meant for small to medium size sites.
I wasn't all that impressed with the look and feel of threads pre-6, but the version 6 is looking good IMO, and as IP has it longer, I'm sure the look and feel will gravitate more toward the classic UBB (just my opinion).
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#84374
06/20/2002 11:05 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by PF:
Also i've seen vB throw up a lot more errors than UBB in my time, usually something to do with the DB. UBB IMO is more reliable. BTW I still like vB, just not as much.
This is exactly why I decided to customize Hostboard instead of switching. Their interface to MySQL while adequate is meant for the masses as it is a product. We on the other hand could tailor the scripts to exactly what we needed.
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#84375
06/20/2002 11:25 PM
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Threads v6 is looking really really good. For that matter, phpBB v2.0 is a lot of fun to tinker with but in the end I'm always back to UBB.
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#84376
06/21/2002 2:40 AM
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Yes, threads v6 looks alot better than the v5 one. Maybe it can get a start here.
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#84377
06/21/2002 9:02 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by SWFan:
Just to throw something else out there, what about ubb.x and ubb.threads? I don't believe comparing VB to UBB is fair
Comnpairing ubb.x to vB would not be fair aswell, as ubb.x is a hosted solution. only time will tell. comparing ubb.t v6 to vB v3 would be the best way to look at it. That is once they release vB verson 3, which as alot less querys on all pages then verson 2 dose.
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#84378
06/21/2002 1:48 PM
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Does, does, does Sorry, but you always seem to say 'dose'. Anyway, because their servers are being killed/their hosts are chucking them off most often. (partially testing quick reply )
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#84379
06/21/2002 4:27 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Dave2:
Anyway, because their servers are being killed/their hosts are chucking them off most often.
Exactly. It's not easy for the avergage UBB user to find a good, reliable, cheap host that will allow UBBs. I've thought about moving more than once...it's a good thing, I guess, that my board is only small-to-medium-sized and that's made me reconsider a couple of times. :rolleyes:
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#84380
07/02/2002 4:23 PM
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I had to move as UBB was causing my server to need a reboot every 4-6hrs, I love it to bits but when you've a busy board it just ain't practical
Audi-Sport.net the only forum guaranteed to kill any server!
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#84381
07/02/2002 6:06 PM
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I sorta migrated my board users to phpBB2. Mostly the only reason is that I can more easily integrate the board into my site because of the database and such.
Also because my site was php and the board was cgi, the whole thing sorta made sense. I do miss ubb though. phpBB2 doesn't have as nice of a control panel and the features are limited. It's freeware, so what can you expect.
It also cuts the server load which helps my host who is a friend of mine.
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#84382
07/02/2002 8:10 PM
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Guess PHP is winning out again. 
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#84383
07/02/2002 10:05 PM
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... when are people going to understand that it's the database, not the language that makes the difference.
UBB.classic: Love it or hate it, it was mine.
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#84384
07/02/2002 10:45 PM
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Some of us understand that but then again I build and administer 8 and 16 processor SQL2000 Enterprise clusters. I may suck at writing code but I kick butt in the data center.
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#84385
07/03/2002 6:33 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Charles Capps:
... when are people going to understand that it's the database, not the language that makes the difference.
Then why are we still using flat files? O i forgot, you would rather buy out others work and make us "upgrade" to a product we could buy for $30 (or whatever is was) a year ago. now i don't really care if i get banned for this but its something that has to be said.
First of all instead of improving ubb infopop has released two products. ubb.t which was just w3t with infopop's name on it. And ubb.x which is ubb with a database BUT you cant download it. Now from what I've seen here at ubbdev ip hosting isn't that good and its WAY overpriced. Do you think we (users of ubb.classic) are to stupid to run a forum with a database back end or something? if no then why not give us what we have been SCREAMING for over a year now?.
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#84386
07/03/2002 7:39 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Brad.loo:
now i don't really care if i get banned for this but its something that has to be said.[/QB]
Come on, we aren't vbullrtin here, we don't ban for telling your opinion
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#84387
07/03/2002 8:07 AM
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I remember once upon a time, someone got banned for not getting a prize and mentioning it in the forums, so I wouldn't be so sure.
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#84388
07/03/2002 8:24 AM
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Typically we ban people for either: 1) being eejits, 2) pirating ubb or 3) poor spelling.
Unless this thread starts to develop some actual value, I'm inclined to close it.
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#84389
07/03/2002 10:59 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Charles Capps:
... when are people going to understand that it's the database, not the language that makes the difference.
This is only a partialy true statement in my opinion. Hardware, OS, webserver & what ever other modules are running along with their configuration have a direct impact on how Perl/PhP performs in any particular environment.
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#84390
07/03/2002 11:25 AM
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....oh and 4) people who annoy us
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#84391
07/03/2002 11:56 AM
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while #2 is why the majority get banned, #1 is trying to make a comeback quote:
Originally posted by dende:
I remember once upon a time, someone got banned for not getting a prize and mentioning it in the forums, so I wouldn't be so sure.
there was quite a bit more to it than that... you only know a little piece of the story.
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#84392
07/03/2002 11:58 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by 1QuickSI:
quote:
Originally posted by Charles Capps:
... when are people going to understand that it's the [b]database, not the language that makes the difference.
This is only a partialy true statement in my opinion. Hardware, OS, webserver & what ever other modules are running along with their configuration have a direct impact on how Perl/PhP performs in any particular environment.[/b]
charles was talking independent of hardware... there's no reason a perl script isn't as fast as a php script... php is just the flavor of the day
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#84393
07/03/2002 12:22 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Brad.loo:
First of all instead of improving ubb infopop has released two products. ubb.t which was just w3t with infopop's name on it. And ubb.x which is ubb with a database BUT you cant download it. Now from what I've seen here at ubbdev ip hosting isn't that good and its WAY overpriced. Do you think we (users of ubb.classic) are to stupid to run a forum with a database back end or something? if no then why not give us what we have been SCREAMING for over a year now?.
Your posting makes no sense and will probably be the reason the thread is closed
UBB.Classic has seen major improvements in each version since 6.0 and will into the foreseeable future. The interface continues to improve over an already industry-leading standard it set years ago. There's still a huge market out there for message boards that are "newbie-friendly". You might have been on the net 6 months or more, but most people have never visited a message board and just don't know how to "work one". There's still hosts that don't support mysql databases. Many more reasons why a great message board with simple flat files will be useful and needed into any time in the future.
threads is not just w3t with IP's name on it now. the support rick has with threads has allowed rick to make huge leaps in functionality, speed, and interface design in the last few months... v6.3 - v6.4 will be the one to watch for as the v6 series begins to mature.
ubb.x is open topic (not ubb.classic) with a mysql database and actually an excellent choice for a message board if you don't plan to tinker with it much.
As I see the eejits who run "web hosting companies" increase daily, IP's hosting is looking better and better. For just one example I am very famliar with, check this thread:
https://www.ubbdev.com/threads/php/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=webhosting&Number=51478
20-25 cents per day more would have eliminated all of that.
Anything I missed?
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#84394
07/03/2002 12:57 PM
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I really love reading about the comparisons between boards, webhosts, etc.
Seriously.
It makes me appreciate my UBB that much more, AND it makes me appreciate my webhost, too.
Sue
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#84395
07/03/2002 8:18 PM
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I like UBB no doubt about that, but alot of people are changing. Thats the problem. Are you going to take any action on this at all?
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#84396
07/03/2002 10:07 PM
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The issue is not to change UBB as it is the "entry level" product as I see it for IP. Next step is UBBThreads for those needing larger systems. Problem is people do not quite see it this way.
Unfortunatly I see UBBthreads taking off in the future and its development surpassing UBB's own UBBDev as the product to use.
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#84397
07/04/2002 2:43 AM
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I agree, I think threads will get somewhere because of it's database.
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#84398
07/04/2002 3:16 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Lord Dexter:
I like UBB no doubt about that, but alot of people are changing. Thats the problem. Are you going to take any action on this at all?
quote:
Originally posted by Lord Dexter:
I agree, I think threads will get somewhere because of it's database.
In the span of 1 post you answered your own question.
Picture perfect penmanship here.
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07/04/2002 3:34 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by AllenAyres:
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Originally posted by Brad.loo:
First of all instead of improving ubb infopop has released two products. ubb.t which was just w3t with infopop's name on it. And ubb.x which is ubb with a database BUT you cant download it. Now from what I've seen here at ubbdev ip hosting isn't that good and its WAY overpriced. Do you think we (users of ubb.classic) are to stupid to run a forum with a database back end or something? if no then why not give us what we have been SCREAMING for over a year now?.
Your posting makes no sense and will probably be the reason the thread is closed
UBB.Classic has seen major improvements in each version since 6.0 and will into the foreseeable future. The interface continues to improve over an already industry-leading standard it set years ago. There's still a huge market out there for message boards that are "newbie-friendly". You might have been on the net 6 months or more, but most people have never visited a message board and just don't know how to "work one". There's still hosts that don't support mysql databases. Many more reasons why a great message board with simple flat files will be useful and needed into any time in the future.
threads is not just w3t with IP's name on it now. the support rick has with threads has allowed rick to make huge leaps in functionality, speed, and interface design in the last few months... v6.3 - v6.4 will be the one to watch for as the v6 series begins to mature.
ubb.x is open topic (not ubb.classic) with a mysql database and actually an excellent choice for a message board if you don't plan to tinker with it much.
As I see the eejits who run "web hosting companies" increase daily, IP's hosting is looking better and better. For just one example I am very famliar with, check this thread:
thread at threadsdev
20-25 cents per day more would have eliminated all of that.
Anything I missed?
:rolleyes:
some host may not have mySQL but MOST host are banning flat file forums daily. face it, flat file forums are becoming less used every day. ubb.t may have a database and it may take off. but infopop is not looking at the real issue. users are moving away from them more and more every day. i give ubb.classic 2-3 more years if infopop dosent put a database behind it. but the way i see it. soon they will stop developing it and make us all "upgrade" to one of their newer porducts
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quote:
Originally posted by navaho.coffee:
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Originally posted by Lord Dexter:
I like UBB no doubt about that, but alot of people are changing. Thats the problem. Are you going to take any action on this at all?
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Originally posted by Lord Dexter:
I agree, I think threads will get somewhere because of it's database.
In the span of 1 post you answered your own question.
The thing is, this should be done to UBB.classic too, not other products making us pay to switch.
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07/04/2002 6:24 AM
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Exactly. Good call LD.
My UBB is in the process of being taken down because my host told me one more week to get everything situated. I'm a lot luckier than the people who get it all deleted with no notice, but there is no way I am paying $75 for an "upgrade" to UBBThreads. Do you realize a leased license for vB is only $85, while a UBBT license is $229, and to renew every year with vB is only $30 while one to UBBT is $130!!! That is mad, why would anyone who wants to stay competitive overprice like that? Just because IP was the first to make a message board like this doesn't mean someone should pick it over a better, cheaper board run on something that a majority of hosts will accept.
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07/04/2002 6:35 AM
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Hmm, Dende, sorry to tell you this but it's $100 to upgrade
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Holy crap! Even more than I thought. Did they raise prices again recently?
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quote:
Originally posted by navaho.coffee:
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Originally posted by Lord Dexter:
I like UBB no doubt about that, but alot of people are changing. Thats the problem. Are you going to take any action on this at all?
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Originally posted by Lord Dexter:
I agree, I think threads will get somewhere because of it's database.
In the span of 1 post you answered your own question.
But Threads isn't UBB. I know that you added UBB to the name (instead of wwwthreads) but it isn't UBB. Eventually it will have to happen and I have a few years of members access already paid for so I'll be patient.
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07/04/2002 8:16 PM
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Or lets just hope there are still alot of UBB-friendly servers still out there.
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07/05/2002 11:26 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Brad.loo:
:rolleyes:
some host may not have mySQL but MOST host are banning flat file forums daily. face it, flat file forums are becoming less used every day. ubb.t may have a database and it may take off. but infopop is not looking at the real issue. users are moving away from them more and more every day. i give ubb.classic 2-3 more years if infopop dosent put a database behind it. but the way i see it. soon they will stop developing it and make us all "upgrade" to one of their newer porducts
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what is the "real" issue? :rolleyes: You have no valid proof that "MOST host are banning flat file forums daily." That would mean all hosts banned it in the first week. There are thousands of web hosts out there, name 20 that have banned ubb.classic...
waiting...
didn't think you could either.
ubb runs fine on most well-configured hosts run by competent individuals. If you want a $5-10/month host that stacks 200-300 sites on one server... then you really do get what you paid for. Your blessed little vb will not run well on that host either. Why would anyone pay $200+ for forum software and not spend a little for decent hosting?
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07/05/2002 11:55 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Lord Dexter:
The thing is, this should be done to UBB.classic too, not other products making us pay to switch.
no other company offers the breadth of software for you to have the opportunity to make that decision... name any other company with 4 forum solutions.
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07/05/2002 12:29 PM
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Originally posted by AllenAyres:
name any other company with 4 forum solutions.
why does it matter when a person only needs one, and the cheapest (and "uncomparable") is almost $100 more?
you skip over people's arguments, then try to throw in your own invalid points.
specifically:
vB has a product running off of a more efficient db, while IP's nearest comparable product is still flat-file.
regardless if UBB.t is database driven, it is not available to the average user.
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07/05/2002 12:34 PM
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Originally posted by AllenAyres:
http://www.infopop.com/webhosting/
With infopop's hosting service, does infopop give people ftp access to their server? Just wondering.
So if I pay all that money to get hosted by them and for the board, do I get privs to login and modify my files to add mods, etc when I want. Not saying I would though, happy with my current board setup.
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07/05/2002 12:36 PM
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ubb.x is less expensive than any of the other solutions, what's your point? quote:
vB has a product running off of a more efficient db, while IP's nearest comparable product is still flat-file.
you are still comparing apples to oranges... different markets.
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regardless if UBB.t is database driven, it is not available to the average user.
how is that? explain please
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07/05/2002 12:38 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by DPK.ducky.quack:
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Originally posted by AllenAyres:
http://www.infopop.com/webhosting/
With infopop's hosting service, does infopop give people ftp access to their server? Just wondering.
So if I pay all that money to get hosted by them and for the board, do I get privs to login and modify my files to add mods, etc when I want.
yes... ftp and ssh as far as I know. definitely ftp. I run a script here for team ubbdev occasionally updating it with ssh.
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07/05/2002 12:54 PM
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K, thanx for the reply Allen. quote:
You do not have permission to enter this area.
Your doing I assume? Wish someone told me my privs were removed before I found out myself. I had a nice run with you guys. Keep up the good work. I don't really belong in there anyways anymore I guess, didn't do any work, hehe. Gonna miss the talk though.
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07/05/2002 1:42 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by AllenAyres:
ubb.x is less expensive than any of the other solutions, what's your point?
however UBB.x is NOT database driven. So as you say, "apples to oranges".
the only product that comes close to the same cost is inferior.
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regardless if UBB.t is database driven, it is not available to the average user.
how is that? explain please
Not many people with personal web pages can spend hundreds of dollars.
do I REALLY need to spell it out?
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07/05/2002 1:57 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by heretic:
however UBB.x is NOT database driven. So as you say, "apples to oranges".
Actually it is database driven, it's just not available to anybody unless they use IP's hosting.
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07/05/2002 2:07 PM
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(This post is no longer nessecary - was beat to the punch...)
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07/05/2002 2:09 PM
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(This post is no longer nessecary - was beat to the punch...)
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07/05/2002 2:47 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by heretic:
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Originally posted by AllenAyres:
ubb.x is less expensive than any of the other solutions, what's your point?
however UBB.x is NOT database driven. So as you say, "apples to oranges".
the only product that comes close to the same cost is inferior.
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regardless if UBB.t is database driven, it is not available to the average user.
how is that? explain please
Not many people with personal web pages can spend hundreds of dollars.
do I REALLY need to spell it out?
maybe I need to
ubb.x is open topic with a mysql database. You have complete access to the data within and can do quite a bit with it. Please check the info out on it before posting something equally as silly as your first statement:
http://www.infopop.com/products/ubbx/
The second statement isn't as silly, but is not quite logical either. Show me a personal page that ubb.classic can't work for... If you can afford classic, threads is only $30 more.
(ubb.classic is $49 more than vb and threads is $70 more than vb, begging the question, where are you getting your "hundreds of dollars" statement?)
BTW, you can still get a free ubb by winning our content rulez or member spotlight contests... isn't that right x?
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07/05/2002 4:53 PM
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No, you can get a free renewal. You have to buy a UBB to enter the contest in the first place.
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07/05/2002 4:56 PM
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true, free member area download privileges for a year... thanks for the correction
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07/05/2002 5:38 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by AllenAyres:
[QB(ubb.classic is $49 more than vb and threads is $70 more than vb, begging the question, where are you getting your "hundreds of dollars" statement?)[/QB]
Actually... you can get vB for $85(?) a year, and that be it. But whatever.
This whole thread seems pointless to me. If you don't like UBB don't buy it. No one is going to make you. If you already have it, then be happy that you have it. There is no reason to argue over it.
I, on the other hand, own both a vBulletin (unlimited) license, and a UBB license (and use both of them activately at the same time), and I do not like one more than the other. vBulletin I like because it has more features, UBB I like because it is more organized. So both have their advantages and disadvantages.
So go with what product you prefer, and if you REALLY have to say something about Infopop's pricing, then email them or something. UBBDev is not a place for complaints about Infopop's pricing.
Just my 2 cents.
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07/05/2002 5:41 PM
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And on that note, I'm closing this topic.
If you wish to continue arguing with each other, you can do so in private.
Thank you.
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