I didn't like the current look of my w3t, so i transformed it. New Site it is a combination of a lot of forums out there.gossthreads came out with there new forum, and i like it a lot. it is extremely custom, i don't know about releasing it either. i took out expanded views. i moved the page 1.2.3 dilly up to the top and the bottom. did the query once, and echoed out the results. i added a couple small functions in main.inc.php. if i could come up with diff colors, templates i could do diff styles for each forum. crypt is no longer supported on my serer so i took crypt out. hopefully it will get fixed soon. that is all for now.....looking at this i might make the rest of the forum look like that, i am going to play around with it more. and sympathy for anyone who lost someone today in new york. i couldn't work today, so i got to work on my site.