Interesting... actually there is a forum I used to go to they were first UBB, then they switched to WWWThreads, first everyone was complaining, but it didn't take long and everyone was discovering the powerful features and got used to the slightly different "feel". I wouldn't want UBB on my site, and I hardly go to any UBB forum except occasionally the one on the Gossamer Threads "Links" support site. After trying out a number of other forums and installed various forum scripts on my site, I am sooo glad I found w3t, I wouldn't want anything else. But, like you say, you can't please everyone... since I have w3t, my forum has become much more active, much more people have signed up. Great! []/w3timages/icons/smile.gif[/]