there has to be a hidden agenda as to why they don't do subforums.. I mean if ya really look at it.. forums are actually subforums of categories.. all ya have to do is add another field to track parent and child and you have subforums of forums. now this sounds easy it does take a little work. But I figured out the fomula with my shop mod when I created endless subcategories. so until they actually do it to threads I would only consider this in a pay situation and right now I am busey converting over the vb arcade to threads which is about 90% done