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A news story on COPPA violations had this which caught my eye: ...many sites encouraged children to lie about their age, such as by stressing to children ahead of time that they need to be at least 13, the report said. Some sites also allowed children to change their year of birth after an initial rejection... I thought it might be of interest in case people were concerned about how W3T handles COPPA. See full story for details. Bill Dimm, MagPortal.com - [:red]free feeds for your site.
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A quote from that article: -------------------------------------------------------- Montgomery said several sites have found innovative ways to comply with the law. She praised Nickelodeon's Nick.com and Lego for allowing anonymous registrations. -------------------------------------------------------- Is this not the same thing that w3t does? w3t is the king of anonymity. Where does w3t ask for home address? Phone number? Also........ Where does the US Constitution give the Congress and the FTC jurisdiction? Just because Congress passes some draconian law does not make it Constitutional. w3t has nothing to worry about with COPPA. Brew
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One more little bit on COPPA. I remember when this "law" went into effect. Everybody said it wasn't going to be a big deal. That the FTC would not treat internet sites with an authoritarian hammer. To jog your memory........ http://www.newsbytes.com/pubNews/00/147672.htmlNow..... Is over $100,000.00 dollars fines for three webs sites draconian? Of course it is....but it's a small enough fine that these people would be better off financially to pay it rather then stick by their principles and tell the FTC ....and Congress, BTW......where to stick their COPPA. Anyway....w3t still has no worry about COPPA because, as released by Scream, it does not ask for identifying information on its users. Brew
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as released by Scream, it does not ask for identifying information on its users
If I click on the "Brewskie" link on your post in this forum I see that your name is Brian Ewing. What could be more identifying than that (a DNA sample)?
Here is a quote from FTC on COPPA:
[:blue]...sites will also have to obtain "verifiable parental consent" before collecting, using or disclosing personal information from children...
I don't see anything in that statement to indicate that it only applies to only non-optional information (which you seem to be assuming).
I'm not a lawyer, I haven't spent any time studying COPPA, and I'm not interested in debating the constitutionality (or even usefulness) of the "law". It is what it is and we have to deal with it. My point in displaying the quotation that I did in my original post is that when COPPA is turned on in W3T and someone tries to register without clicking "I'm over 13" they can click the back button on their browser and try again. The article seemed to imply that this is not good enough.
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So what are you gonna do BillD? Incorporate a retina scan with w3t? Finger printing? Require a drivers liscence and tie-in with every DMV in the country? Or, more realistically, require a credit card to use it? That would leave me out. There's only a certain amount one can do with these kinds of "feel good" laws. Having a check box is the best you can do, short of disenfranchising legitamate users such as myself who refuse to be bogged down with credit cards. If a minor, under 13, checks that box he/she is commiting fraud.....I'd say that's pretty defensible on the part of the site owner. Brew
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Incorporate a retina scan with w3t? Finger printing? Require a drivers liscence and tie-in with every DMV in the country? Or, more realistically, require a credit card to use it? That would leave me out.
I raise the issue of a child being able to get in by clicking the back button on a browser and changing a check box and you reply with this? I don't see the relevance.
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If a minor, under 13, checks that box he/she is commiting fraud.....I'd say that's pretty defensible on the part of the site owner.
According to the quote from my first post, that is apparently not defensible. That's why I brought it up.
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So what are you gonna do BillD?
Well, when someone checks off "no" for whether or not they are at least 13 W3T could send a cookie to their computer saying "I'm under 13" (actually, it should probably be more subtle in case they have their browser set to allow them to view cookies before accepting them). Then if they try to change from "no" to "yes" and resubmit, the cookie could be detected and the submission rejected. The cookie should expire fairly quickly (say a few hours) in case multiple people use the same computer. Of course this won't work if they have cookies turned off but then neither will logging in.
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[:blue]"Well, when someone checks off "no" for whether or not they are at least 13 W3T could send a cookie to their computer saying "I'm under 13" (actually, it should probably be more subtle in case they have their browser set to allow them to view cookies before accepting them). Then if they try to change from "no" to "yes" and resubmit, the cookie could be detected and the submission rejected. The cookie should expire fairly quickly (say a few hours) in case multiple people use the same computer. Of course this won't work if they have cookies turned off but then neither will logging in." That would really be a waste of effort. I'd say it works fine as it is. Muhammad Chishti Creative dIRECTOR [:white] http://www.imcuniverse.com
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Define "offensive"......... LOL Brew
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Eileen, odd as it may seem, that's not what COPPA is about at all. Quoting from the first paragraph of the statement from the FTC: [:blue]The main goal of the COPPA and the rule is to protect the privacy of children using the Internet. Publication of the rule means that, as of April 21, 2000, certain commercial Web sites must obtain parental consent before collecting, using, or disclosing personal information from children under 13. Nothing about what you are allowed to show the child--only what information you are allowed to collect from them. It's about privacy, not offensiveness. Bill Dimm, MagPortal.com - [:red]free feeds for your site.
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It is confusing!
COPA = Child Online Protection Act (aka. CDA-2) (S1482/HR3783)
COPPA = Child Online Privacy Protection Act (6750-01P FTC 16 CFR PART 312)
The first one is concerned with 'obscene' material, the second with the privacy of children... They really need to be more imaginative with their names! []/testimages/icons/wink.gif[/]
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