UBB.Developers Forums General Discussion Chit Chat ubb vs vbulletin

I have just got to know about another forum called vbulletin and they are powered under mysql and php.

It seems that vbulletin offer loads of features compared to ubb and cost cheaper too!! Not to mention faster and can support big forums. I don't understand why ubb just don't want to release something like that? I know there is Open Topic which cost so much more $$$$...

Can anybody tell me why people whould want to consider ubb then?



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Nothing against vBulletin, but the php coding in it is not the best in the world.
The ubb is easily customizeable and CGI is more easy to understand when coding it.
vBulletin may crash under severe presure.

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I don't know much about PHP programming but you are right it not that easy to learn conpared to cgi.

In what way will vbullitin crash under severe presure?

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It's been proven that using vB, the database crashes with too much load.

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The same could be said about the UBB. A lot of free sites don't allow UBB's because of the server load. Maybe that'll change in v6...

as for PHP vs CGI (BTW I think you mean Perl), IMHO PHP is quite a bit easier (and can do stuff easier) than perl...

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vB is too..

Umm I think PHP is easier to understand than Perl...

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vB is just faster then UBB, i still think infopop are idiots...they should include more freatures in there boards...hell your paying $200 for them.

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UBB currently suffers from code bloat.

vB suffers from less than effecient coding (but nowhere near as bad as UBB) and a terrible, terrible method of storing messages that can cause incredible slowdowns.

UBB is written in mostly straightforward Perl, no more complex than the worst PHP scripts.

I have not examined vB's coding for quality or understandability (only the databases), so my opinion is based on second hand reports.

UBB6 is proving to be much more than a simple code cleanup according to Ted's latest report.

I have also heard that vB is getting the database problems fixed.

The time for this debate is not now - when UBB6 is out and the next major release of vB is released, then bring this up.

Right now arguing is a moot point... Choose the product you feel will be better for your site.

I personally prefer UBB, but I'm just a bit biased.

I never had any trouble with vBulletin, its fast and option=rich.

I like both, although vBulletin has a better price attached to it.

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For that matter, 5.47 was a very small code cleanup. But wait untill UBB6 is out (as charles said above) and the next vB, then we'll talk. I personally find vB too buggy at this point, but the next release of vB may prove me wrong if i say it again.

Although i do prefer ubb, its up to you.

oh, and vB is a biatch to install.

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Just for the record, PHP is easier than Perl, IMHO, and has a couple of major differences, in that PHP was solely designed for use on the web, so it has some great built in features that would require much more coding in perl, but by the same token, it's probably not quite as powerful as perl, since you can't do everything you ever wanted to do with it. As for vbulletin v ubb, I dunno.. I'm not qualified to answer that question, being a mere humble mortal and not a UBB goddess.

I'm not a ubb godess either (no, really), but i do know that vB, when patched with the right fixes, out-performs ubb by a VERY large margin.

And although i have respect for the man, you cannot take MasterMind's opinion seriously when he is a perl (not CGI) programmer and not a PHP programmer. PHP is an easier language. That's the bottom line.

Just a thought

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I was actually speaking of some sort of experience in learning PHP. I tried to learn PHP, and failed miserably.
But dont take my opinion, because i am not biased at all.

Just a brainfart

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Lol cal, sure you are..

PHP is easier, there's no doubt about it.. everyone except mastermind thinks so.. (no offense MM)

Getting Mastermind to love php would be like getting Mark Badolato to use vBulletin

Just a thought

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heh, that's tantamount to getting Yngwie J. Malmsteen to say "man, I suck..."

(sorry, gonna have to dig into the the Guitar Gods of the mid-80's to understand that reference)

--mark

Say anybody knows that is the best book to learn PHP and CGI programming? Beginner to Advanced level of course.

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I don't find PHP 'easy' anymore. After using Perl so much, I find PHP much, MUCH too restrictive on my coding style...

Well... http://www.hotscripts.com/forum/member.php?action=getinfo&userid=77

This message has been edited by Melchus on October 23, 2000 at 08:15 PM

I don't know squat about PHP or vBulletin, but here's what I do know about UBB

1) The code is bloated and messy
2) The HTML embedded in the code is BAD!!

I only use UBB because I know it, and I'm lazy.

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Um Melchus, there's a big difference between actually using vb as an owner, and merely being a moderator on a support board that happens to run it as software. I'm not quite THAT petty

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Can someone give me the url to VBulletin?

Here you go. http://www.vbulletin.com

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He did. I'll say it for him. He was nothing special. He was here today and gone by this afternoon. Joke. HaHa.

He made piles of popularity on "I was classicly trained."

BFD, doesn't make you any better, just gave you a line for saps with disposable money to bite on for a while. Oh, and Yngwie, where are you today?

Eddie Van Halen was classicly trained too. At least he was smart enought not to try to base a carreer that claim.



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Oh I agree that EVH is a far better musician. The point was that Yngwie had an ego the size of the universe, so getting him to say "I suck" would be damn near impossible.

But for the record, Randy Rhoads was, and always will be, the master

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Hey,

I thought Yngwie was more famous for his terrible bufon ????

Randy Rhoads was a legend and incidentally too was classically trained.

All the modern day "guitar gods" suck like Satriani and Vai. Sure they can play fast but I've yet to hear a decent song from any of them.

Kirk Hammett nows he's a legend

On the subject of UBB Vs vBulletin I'm pretty sure the new version of UBB will kik their aces I'm really looking forward to its release.

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Ok... now that both UBBv6 and vBulletin v2 (currently beta 3) are out, I'd like to bring up this topic again. I'm currently using UBBv5.45 on my site, and I was contemplating between updating to UBBv6 and vBulletin v2. As it stands, it seems as though vB has way more standard features than UBBv6. Sure you can achieve these features with hacks, but why hack if the standard version of vB contains all these features and more. Plus it's faster, and smaller. (Not sure how it compares to UBB6, but I'm pretty sure it's smaller than UBB5.)

So can anyone think of some good reasons to stay with UBB instead of switching to vB?

ugh, do we have to have these topics over and over again?

Why don't you go post this on the vbulletin support site instead. :rolleyes:

Because they'll tell him to come here

"VB or Not VB, that is the question, whether 'tis nobeler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outragous fortune or take arms against a sea of trouble.."

Personally I'll stick with the winner, but then the ice cream shop has many flavors. If you want VB go for it, see ya when you get back!

[ March 23, 2001: Message edited by: DCF ]

I'd say you are typing in it... reason enough.


BTW, if this thread gets just the slightest bit bashing one side or the other, I am closing it and removing some more posting privledges... capische? It's probably against my better judgement to even leave it open, as jelsoft ain't paying us for advertisement here... so most likely it'll be closed the first "rah rah" speech we get from some ad agency for them.

A good discussion about the merits/ drawbacks of each type of software are healthy tho. I think you'll find ubb v6 measures up quite well in the coming months to any BBS software...

Yea... that's all I'm looking for. Just a simple list of the merits and drawbacks for each one. I have no intention of starting a versus thread.

I posted a similar thread at the vB boards, so I just wanted to get a similar idea of what the UBB side of the community had to say.

Why don't you start by telling us what you like... what do you look for in forum software?

What is important to you as someone who must install a forum script, run it, and maintain it... what features you think are must haves, what are only so-so...

[ March 23, 2001: Message edited by: AllenAyres ]

Whatever I use, I want to have the power to customise the way it looks, I hate default look BBs, whatever they are.. I much prefer to have the option to unclutter the design.. So the easier this is to do, the more points the software gets.. Same with everything, I want to have the best solution for what I want to do, rather than something generic

Besides "curb appeal" - the ability to edit the "look and feel" of the basic design, are there features you really think make much of a difference to you in your purchase?

This can actually be a good conversation...

Good question allen..

Ease of use, ease of installation and things like that have to be a factor, as does speed, portability, the option to update or change things in the future, security, and knowing how it works.. I think, especially for webbased software, I really like to know how it works, because that way I know everything I need to know before I buy.. no specifics, just a generalisation would be good..

I imagine different webmasters would place importance of different features higher than others. What one webchick's gold is another webchick's trash, eh?

People forget what drives most site's popularity is good content. Bells and whistles will only get you a few visits, then it's off to the "next big thing". Excellence in content, good interesting conversation, etc. will draw and keep and audience.

As webmasters, site owners, whatever we choose to call ourselves, we must first of all consider the audience we are trying to reach. Do they really want that picture under their user name, or do they just want you to stop messing with the scripts so the site will stay up more than 3 days and not lose all their posts, again. Users expect stability and reliability out of the forum software, they don't care what brand you are using, that it has some new-fangled twist that'll be sure and crash once people actually start showing up... just work when they expect it to.

yeah, I know what you mean Allen.. I know far too many people who would rather spend all their time working on the way a site looks, giving it a new "better" layout every couple of months, instead of getting the content that needs to be done done.. That's why I left the last site I was working at, the co-webmaster was someone who always worked on the stupid stuff, instead of the content.

Having said that, I'm a perfectionist, and I really like simple designs, so the importance of customisability.. like a form of branding, I want all of my site to have a common feel

nevermind

[ March 23, 2001: Message edited by: Irvine ]

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