UBB.Developers Forums General Discussion Chit Chat Netschape sux!!!

Well i am at work right now and we have only Nurtschape here, and this place looks like you know what,
But you can see something at least, if i take look at my own board i dont see any s(beeep)ht,
I am bulding for years webpages and ubb is a new hobby for me since couple months but i like to say i am getting sick of to make the pages compateble with nurtschape


I hope i am not the only one who thinks like that....


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I know, my forums don't support netscape either. but the only reason for that is that I never installed the old ubb code buttons 3 fix

Ugh! I hate Netscape! Why is it that a simple piece of page design turns into a nightmare when dealing with Netscape?? You think that with their experience they'd be able to come up with something half decent?

Or maybe they think, "Well we were here first so why should we support all the same HTML tags as everyone else?"

And apparently the next version is gonna be even worse.

Pain. In. The. Ass.

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The revelation beaten on a skin drum...

I have the inside beta (non-public) final of ns6, and it finally supports a lot of the same codes as IE, not all but a lot, but guess what?

IT'S SLOWER THAN OLD NETSCAPE! YES, SLOWER! JUST WHEN IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE TO GET SLOWER HERE WE ARE!

Hehehe.

I told you, Nurtschape SUX...

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I gave up caring about how things look in Netscape. Who ever said it was a nightmare was right. The stats I use trace browsers. 91.25% of my visitors use IE. 6.44% use Netscape. It will be a happy day for all of us when Netscape goes by the way of the dinosaur.
R.I.P Netscape!

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Mr. Bill

netscape was allmost bought out by msoft last year but than microsoft got in a little anti-trust **** .

just wat till they move microsoft too canada next year. burn netscape burn.

Netscape 6 final is not out yet PR6-3 Is out though..

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Peace Out,
DJLunacy
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Nutscrape is its true name folks, because it truly does scrape nut.

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Neal 'Thradar' Ulen
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Netscape only sucks because the code hasn't been updated in two years.

Mozilla will change everything. Go to http://www.mozilla.org/ and grab the latest Milestone build.

When testing it, keep in mind that it's pre-beta.

If your site looks like crappola in Mozilla, you can be assured that your HTML is not W3C compliant and that you should stop complaining and fix it. There is NO excuse for not using fully compliant HTML. Once you fix your HTML, you might be surprised to find that good old Netscape might also render your site correctly.

This message has been edited by Charles Capps on October 23, 2000 at 02:48 PM

I couldn't agree more, Charles. The fact that IE lets you get away with anything (funky tables, missing tags) doesn't mean NS is that bad.



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goodfellasweb.com

Ohhhh thank you, thank you Charles and SonnyBlack! I've been wanting to say that ALL day but didn't want to start anything!

What they say is true, but you still can't deny that Nutscrape has fallen by the wayside for a reason: no one uses it because it sucks. If it was so great everyone would be using it.

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Neal 'Thradar' Ulen
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Wrong. Probably 20% of people use IE because they choose to. The other 80% who use it, use it because it's what their computer came with.

Can someone tell me why schools choose Netscape more often then IE? I mean some we have both IE and Netscape but for some reason it is school policy to use netscape.

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Ill see you on the darkside of the moon.

Many times the school admins use Netscape because that's what they used...

That's a sad argument. NS had the market BEFORE IE came along. If it was so great people would have went and downloaded NS. NS 6 behaves more like IE...but it's an abomination!!



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Neal 'Thradar' Ulen
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www.moviefanonline.com

My last 2 sites turned out great in netscape

I'll give you that, but just because IE is a little too lenient in some places does not make it a bad browser. I started out using Netscape, but I've switched entirely to IE now. I only worry about NS if theres a major problem with it, otherwise I just don't care.

So basically: everyone should learn HTML, and learn it right. But, just because IE doesn't care if you leave an ending table tag out does not make it a bad browser.

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-david
Choose your future.
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Well put!

Ok, thus if i dont use tripletables in tables is it good?
Why should i?
If i like to use tripletables in tables i do that and if nurtschape cant handel that and IE does, by who is the problem than?
And besides nurtschape loads the page longer than IE everytime you use your back button, is that such a good thing.

Dont get me wrong i am just openning good discussion here

But i am going to make my board Nurtschape competeble soon. I have still respect for those who wants to use Nurtschape.

I'm didnt say anything about table complexity. Netscape can handle any arrangement of tables that IE can ... just as long as you write your HTML correctly.

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goodfellasweb.com

Oooh, I just gotta get into this debate, it's just so fun-looking and inviting...

I am one of the very few people who use IE under pressure. While you all have valid arguments that either support one or the other, I am of the opinion that both browsers suck the rigid shaft of Satan right now. IE *SHOULD* be good, and under normal circumstances it is. But with WinME and IE5.5, there is this annoying problem that totally freezes the browser about every five minutes, and it gets locked up for about 30 seconds usually just sitting there, before it decides to do anything. If you're reading a nice long page at that time, it's good. But if you're trying to open a page at that time, you just sit there and wait. And Nutscrape, well, I'm not even going to go into it (I hope you can tell that since I called it Nutscrape that I don't like it).

I use IE because of a lack of other options. The only other major browser available is Opera, and you freaking have to pay for it!!! NeoPlanet is just IE with a skinned face lift, as is just about every other browser on the planet. Very few people write their own proprietary browser; most who make them rely on other people's code, namely, Microsoft's. Even I've written my own browser, and it used the basic Windows internet components to do its business.

I honestly can't wait till some programming genious combines the greatest things about IE with the greatest things about Nutscrape, throw in some Opera, and maybe give it a cherry-flavored Skinning engine on top. I would almost pay to possess that one.

---Skorpion

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Wrong. I've had lots of problems with tables and netscape, and I do it right. You say something should be 50 wide, NS makes it 100 wide. Go figure.evi



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-david
Choose your future.
www.antipopculture.org

OK, so maybe your milage will vary. In my experience I have not spent all that much time making a site netscape compatible. Maybe my idea of "doing it right" is different than yours.
If you specify widths for all cells, that shouldn't happen.

Anyway, I'm not here trying to argue someones HTML abilities. Maybe it is difficult to get a page working in NS but I don't realise it because I used to be a full time HTML coder

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goodfellasweb.com

Just so ya'll understand, my above quoted comment was just me commenting on the relative ineptitude of most people who own computers, and the fact that most people use IE because it came with windows and they can't work out how to download the browser they want, or even if they can, they dont' know how to install it. Or they download it and forget where it downloaded to. Or one of those million other things.

As something I read recently said, most people use their computer as a life support system for their browser and email. Thats it. They don't know how to do many other things at all really, except maybe turn it on, and off.

Ok so I'm being harsh, maybe, but I'm sure all of you have met someone out there like that.

As for 5.5 and it's crashing problems, yeah it does that to my machine too. And I've got a through the roof gateway performance machine that has the hardware to handle most anything, except, seemingly, IE. Netscape 6 makes me feel like I'm stuck in AOHell, and 4 whatever is terrible too. Opera crashed my system whenever I tried to print, and it has a few other bugs too, but it also is much kinder on your system, even if there are some things it just doesn't support..

I agree, all the browsers right now are about as bad as they could possibly be. Ok. So what do we do about it? Write our own?
the UD Browser? lol.. I don't code good enough to do something like that, but it would be nice to have something that actually works, actually supports the real version of HTML 4.0 (not the proprietary versions we're all used to).. the plugins we want, the capabilities we want, and all kinds of other nice things.. any volunteers?

It's already in progress. It's called Mozilla .

Mozilla is the Open-Source base of what will be Netscape 6. Don't download those stupid Netscape Public Release versions, they're terribly AOLized. Grab the real thing from the Mozilla site...

Sorry dude, you have other problems besides WinME and IE5.5 working together...because mine work fine.



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Neal 'Thradar' Ulen
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www.moviefanonline.com

I dont have problems with 5.5 and winME to.
Infact my computer didnt crash at all since i have winME

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Mozilla? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

It doesn't take three years to write a non exceptional web browser. Unless of course you write every other component apart from the actual browser. As the lead programmer has said, everyone want to add new features, not fix the broken ones. Mozilla will never becopme a viable reality. By the time it comes out it'll be too far behind the competition.

Just a thought

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Oh get real.... it was too far behind the competition when it STARTED....

Just a thought

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http://www.iamcal.com

Yeah, there is something about some configurations that is causing IE5.5 in general (regardless of which Winblows it's on) to cause those problems. I've seen several topics about it in the news.microsoft.windowsme.internet NG, and everyone seems to has a different fix for it, and a different thing that may be causing it. None of those fixes work for me. I don't know what my problem is. But conveniently, Windows will not let me revert back to 5.01. So I'm stuck with it till MS fixes whatever code is conflicting with whatever hardware. That's why I am of the opinion that IE sucks right now, for me at least.

Anyone here who happens to know of another possible fix for the IE55 problem, please let me know.

---Skorpion



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My board works with Nurtschape now, it was hard to do and cost me some eyecandy, but 20% of my users use NS, thus i had no chooise

But it NS still sux!!!

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