UBB.Developers Forums General Discussion Chit Chat Infopop Price rise :(

If anyone has thought of going from UBB to UbbThreads Infopop are putting the transfer cost up by 33%.

See http://community.infopop.net/2/OpenTopic?a=tpc&s=729094322&f=5553010313&m=5803095465 for more information.

Apart from making more money, not sure what the aim is behind this hike. Appreciate though that you get another years access, but then you also loose the license on your current UBB (AFAIK)

Probably because UBBThreads v6.0 just got released. I need to see it in action before I'm willing to go online and put my UBB license number in for the taking with a hundred bucks. I haven't even been able to play with the new code.

I really think it's going to be a great product but I have to see it.

Same with Xpert, I need to see the proof too.

goodness gracious.. another price raise.

IMO this has to be the wrose bussiness move yet by infopop, not only could i go lease a vB for $85 USD and convert my forum, they are also charging alot more for a product that was once less then $40, i think infopop needs to look at its pricing more insted of raising prices yet again. honestly, if you where a cosumer, would you pay $100 to upgrade to something with less of a hacking community behind it then ubb.classic, vbulletin, or half the free based forums out their?, not to mention that ubb.t's dev site has been hacked by script kiddies many times.

honestly all these price raises and such are making me start to question myself about buying ubb in the frist place, i have nothing agenst the product ubb.classic, but i do fell infopop is making some bad moves with their customers.

/me sits and waits to be banned/ or flamed/ or have my inbox spamed.

Brad has made many points UBB should take into consideration. Pricing is evetything, one of the most important things. vB is cheaper, and they will get more customers because of it. People look for the best Cheapest things around. People aren't always made of money.

LD, yes, the price is high, but I just wanted to add that some of UBB's finest customers are organizations, even Microsoft, which ARE made of money.

Anyway, it's definitely not the worst business step that they've ever had - everybody that wanted to transfer to UBBT has already done so or will do it soon (before the price goes up), it's not a big difference as $25 for the UBB's standard price would be... and they made some other bad business steps, but that's another story

Not sure what to say... we seem to share the same views on the price raise. :rolleyes:

But when Infopop raises their product prices, there must be a good reason for it.
I have no believe in Infopop as a "rip-off" capitalism thing, their products are great and so is the support, so I think they deserve this extra money, whatever they do with it.

As much as I like my UBB board, due to the price when I wanted to add another board I had to go to another name. UBB is great software but for many of us the price is prohibative.

I'm curious what both infopop and the VB guys are going to do since many of the free boards are really coming into thier own now.

I recently installed PHPBB on my site and so far think it's great. The searches are a highpoint after dealing with UBB searches

what are the opinions on these points?

6.3.0's search is much faster

phpbb can search all forums in the time it takes UBB to search 1.

But even excluding that. PHPBB is free. While I know infopop can't offer things for free, I have to expect more from them if I'm going to spend money on it....

Wouldn't you agree? I mean they aren't M$ they don't have a situation where they can charge more just cause everything else in the world is built for them.

this is starting to get a bit off topic

yeah Kinda...

But overall I guess my point is that they should want people to convert from UBB to threads, not make it more difficult (read expensive).

I'd go as far as to say offering to convert your UBB.classic to UBB.threads (or whatever it's called these days) for free wouldn't be a bad idea since when people compare UBB.classic to VB, VB will look a heck of a lot better in many areas. This holds true for many other boards as well, as I've said the PHPBB seems to be great. With it being free, having tools to convert from UBB.classic, being database/php driven, why would I choose to spend $100 to upgrade to threads?

It is.

Although, it makes sense that it takes much shorter time to search through a SQL database than thousands of text files,
those two bulletin board systems can't be compared in my opinion;
other consists of Perl scripts and uses "flat" files for storing it's data, while the other one uses PHP and SQL database.

Sooo, back to the pricing.

The prices of UBB are a bit higher than my today's budget allows, yet it doesn't change the fact how much I love the product.
If they feel they need to up their prices a bit, they can do it, I won't complain.

I'm quite sure they are aware of they may lose customers, but if they benefit from the price raise, they'll get more money to keep working on their products, which we will certainly benefit from. Right?

Love it, live with it, or hate it and be without it.

I hope I don't sound harse, I'm just stating my thoughts and opinions here.

now dont get me wrong, ubb is my home, ill always love my ubb's, but, if we want the product to grow and become better, something as to be done.

honestly when i can download something for free with more tools, and a database back end, and still come out better then paying $100 for ubb.t it gets you thinking, but back to ubb.classic, flat file storge is dieing, half the host out there wont suport it anymore unless you get a really good one, also its pricing is way above jelsofts product vBulletin witch as php and mySQL and a dev site on par with ubbdev. if you where buying a forum software for the frist time, what would you do?

I want to make one thing clear, and I clarified it with every vB owner I know: UBBDev is much better than vB's hacking community

I'm not totaly up on the VB hacking community, but I'll say this..

As with any product of this nature, the hacking community is better due to it's installed base. If UBB.classic looses market share, slowly the hacks will slow down as well. There will be fewer new people coming into the market, fewer people asking for hacks, fewer people making them. As hacks become slower in coming, the installed base may loose even more, thus a snowball effect.

What vB hacking "community"?
Sorry, but with full respect for vBB, phpBB and other BBS that are "stealing the looks of UBB" (quoting myself here), I can't say I've seen any real community around the application, at least not anything that compares to Infopop's customers.

Now, now, this isn't like the world is coming to an end.
Infopop has before lowered and raised their prices, still they have this great amount of customers who keep coming back.

Why? Infopop has such good reputation, quality support and fantastic products. Or that's how I feel, at least.

When I get some "extra" cash again, I have promised myself to buy UBB.threads, no matter of it's cost, because I know how good the product is, and their support.

You can consider it a dedication (which isn't so far from the truth), but I think of it as will to get something good, with good support (in case I need it), instead of getting something for free, without any real support, and far smaller community around to help me.

With that said, I think I'm going out for a sunbath,

i said my ubb...i never said anything about infopop, ubb is a good product depending on what you have to use it for, but for most of the sites i run ive had to go with vB due to my server, i dont like the idea of ubb.t, mabey if ubb.classic would have got a database like we all requested i wouldent be using vbulletin today.

i use both products, if its playing both sides im sorry, but look at it from my point of view, i use vb cause of the mySQL database and how much its like ubb.classic ont he front side, i like vB for that, then i have the ubb i use, i know alot of people over here and enjy it over here and try to answer questions when i know the answer and suport what lil hacking i do, like i said, i like ubb, i like ubbdev, BUT im starting to dislike infopop.

"i use vb cause of the mySQL database and how much its like ubb.classic ont he front side"...

It wasn't like UBB on the "front side", until UBB got so well known and popular.

Also, Allen... I wouldn't call that "playing both sides of the fence".
You can't really complain while he still supports Infopop, can you?
Not even if he'd turn completely away from UBB, to be honest.

Search: Can't compare a search with flat files to a SQL database, no matter how bad the code written to interface with the SQL database is (*cough*), it will 99% of the time be faster.

Price: I don't know the reason, and I honestly don't care. Ted is giving you a chance to convert for $25 less before the price is raised. Go for it. Be happy he didnt say "ok, the price is up, deal with it". Infopop doesn't do that.

Infopop vs. Others: Who developed the look the others now copy? UBB. UBB developed most of the look, if not all, UBB developed most of the features. The hacking community of UBB did most of the rest.

I know UBB created most of it but other forums are coming out with cheaper prices and their share of new features etc.

And about the community, yes I think that community is alot more friendlier than the vB one. But still, it's not completly hate-free.

I think this topic ran its course...

Freedom of speech Greg. You can't stop that. I have a right, and you have a right to yours.

Well I would agree to this if the topic was closed to prevent further outbursts. I have nothing against that at all.

I think everything that could be said has been said and it has run it's course.

UBB vs vB comparison topics have always turned into personal attacks and never ended well.