#85215
07/18/2002 9:37 PM
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It seems that Apple has upset more than a few of its followers. quote:
Mac users outraged at iTools, upgrade taxes
$100 per year is too much for many Mac users to hold on to their mac.com email addresses, and Apple sysadmins have been furiously busy deleting the complaints that flooded Apple's own technical forums. Users are also unhappy that the upgrade to 10.2 costs a full $129, with no discount for existing Mac OS X users.
Yesterday Apple renamed its file storage (iDisk) and free email (mac.com) bundle, adding in backup and virus software. The introductory price is $49.95. After that, it's a $100 per year.
Writes one user: " i have never been angrier or more upset with one of apple's bonehead moves than this one. as i said at the top, the price of true love has gone over the hill for me, and as of now 'I'M OUTTA HERE'! maybe by the weekend i will overcome my current urge to rush out and buy a sony vaio desktop and kiss mac goodbye forever."
"This kind of seems like Apple taking advantage of our unconditional love," writes another.
We've had precisely one email of support praising the move.
Other users point out that in three days the TCO for a Macintosh has risen dramatically - Quick Time Pro 6.0 is $29 into the bargain. Of course you don't need .Mac services, or Quick Time Pro to enjoy a Mac, but as Jobs said, the free lunch is over.
The long-awaited Jagwyre release of 10.2 - available for pre-order now - has been soured by Apple's decision to charge full price for the upgrade. This rewards users who've shied away from the migration and stayed with OS 9 or earlier versions, and it penalizes users who adopted the OS early and helped fix bugs and build momentum for X. And it's hardly an incentive for PC users who are sick of the annual Windows upgrade tax to switch.
The kudos Apple won by introducing a generous all-you-can-eat pricing for its server offerings has been lost by gouging its most loyal consumers. If you've been working with OS X since the public beta, your bill for the OS alone will have topped $400 by now. In the same period Microsoft has introduced one upgrade costing consumers $99 or $199 for the "professional" SMP-enabled XP. Steve Jobs really was risking hubris with so many barbs directed at The Beast at yesterday's keynote.
And Apple's insistence on calling it a point upgrade doesn't help. It is a significant upgrade - and arguably merits being called 11.0. But the trouble is, in a year's time we'll all be here again, when the real 11.0 is shipped.
Jaguar moves OS X from its ancient BSD 4.2 undercarriage to a slightly-less-ancient 4.4, but next year sees the platform move to the state-of-the-art BSD 5.0, which is currently in beta.
This is a milestone release, as it will fix a lot of the problems from which even Jagwyre suffers: such as process synchronization between the BSD layer (which finally gets threads) and device enumeration, and these improvements will be welcomed by developers and users alike. However the BSD 5.0-based X requires much additional work at Apple - with many of the current hacks to recognize new devices, for example, being discarded - and Apple will surely look to milk its users once again. But that depends on how many users want to empty their wallets now. Widespread sharing of Jaguar CDs this Fall will surely encourage Apple to introduce stepped upgrade pricing when 11.0 is ready next year. ®
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#85216
07/19/2002 8:46 PM
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I've got one, and I'm not upset. In fact, I already signed up for the initial $49 discount year.  You have to remember that the mac.com email address is only one tiny part of the overall iTools (now .Mac) package. Unfortunately, some only used iTools for email, and thus they are understandably upset. However, word is that Apple may be offering an "email only" option for free or very minimal pricing. For those that use iTools/.Mac for email only, I certainly hope Apple ends up offering this feature.
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#85217
07/20/2002 1:02 AM
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mac people are fruity /me waves Hi SWFan!
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#85218
07/20/2002 12:04 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Stilgar:
mac people are fruity
/me waves Hi SWFan!
Ehhe.. yeah, silly mac people! 
---Jamin
Don't put that signature in your mouth! You don't know where it's been!
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#85219
07/20/2002 3:14 PM
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Machine
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Crashes
If
Not
The
Operating
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#85220
07/20/2002 5:25 PM
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Microsoft
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#85221
07/20/2002 9:08 PM
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"Open minded computer guy"...I hope I'm not the only cross platform, doing Netwerkin for the love of all computing kinda person here.
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#85222
07/20/2002 9:09 PM
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I'm sorry, but Windows crashes about 60% more than mac OSX. not that i use a mac but its true.
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#85223
07/20/2002 9:18 PM
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OS X in it's original form was too resourse intensive but it is a LOT better now. And it is incredibly stable. I am an XP person though, and mine runs without crashing unless I install experimental stuff (daily) that I shouldn't.
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#85224
07/21/2002 9:50 AM
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I'm a cross platform person who uses OS X on an iMac and iBook at home and Windows at work. Until January of this year I used Windows at home. I can tell you that I have to reboot a minimum of two times a day at work, and up to five times on a bad day. The Win2K server has to be taken down once a month for about 4 hours for our IT people to "figure out" why its not working right. Probably has something to do with the fact that the ONLY thing we use it for is to run Microsoft's Great Plains Dynamics accounting software. Now that thing is a true POS (typical MS). We spend roughly $1,000 a month above our service agreement to have our Great Plains resource partner come out and fix corrupted data files. And for those who say the server and/or software "must" not be setup properly, all I can tell you is we spent roughly $10,000 last year having multiple consultants come out to re-set everything up. At home my iMac stays on 24/7 with no apparent problems. I'll admit that MacOS pre X was not any better than Windows IMHO which is why I waited to convert from being a 10+ years PC person until this January after 10.1 had been released. P.S. my point is that I use both operating systems, thus I feel somewhat qualified in making a judgment on each's merits and stability, as opposed to others who maybe saw a Mac in a store once and now feel they can say "Macs suck"
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#85225
07/21/2002 10:34 AM
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I just wan to be clear about what I said. I have very little experience with Mac or OSX. I just wanted to point out that Mac people are fuity.... so take a bite out of that! As for the Windows crashs 60% of the time. You'd have to compare OSX to XP, not all of Windows. I run Win2000 at work... it locks up now and then. It does crash when I go to print a shippping label. I blame that one on UPS' software.  My XP at home... Well, I'm not about to curse myself and tell you it never crashes, but.... Mac people are still fruity.
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#85226
07/21/2002 12:05 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Stilgar:
As for the Windows crashs 60% of the time. You'd have to compare OSX to XP, not all of Windows. I run Win2000 at work... it locks up now and then. It does crash when I go to print a shippping label. I blame that one on UPS' software.
It still shouldn't crash the whole OS .
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#85227
07/21/2002 7:57 PM
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I run a couple hundred 2K advanced servers and I reboot an average of 2 a week for acting up. I have them on a 7 day schedule for auto updates, patches and reboots. I guess the difference is that I build them right, not by accepting defaults. I learned the OS and I use it properly. I also run 3 SQL2000 Enterprise Clusters with hundreds of large databases (500meg to 5gig each) on gigabit fiberchannel SAN Shelves and provide term server remote applications and online classes to 54 countries. I even run Windows Media servers that stay up as well.
I guess I'm just lucky that I have 99.998 and higher uptime statistics.
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#85228
07/22/2002 9:12 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by TheX:
I also run 3 SQL2000 Enterprise Clusters with hundreds of large databases (500meg to 5gig each) on gigabit fiberchannel SAN Shelves and provide term server remote applications and online classes to 54 countries.
What kind of ping and framerate do you get on Q3A multiplayer games with that???
---Jamin
Don't put that signature in your mouth! You don't know where it's been!
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