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Heya,

I'm in the process of making my site pass an XHTML validation (whilst still backwards compatible).

My site always passed a 4.01 HTML validation apart from 1 thing and that one thing is stopping me from getting that lovely passed graphic I'm sure there must be a way around it.

How can I make my page have the same effect as using th following

leftmargin="0" topmargin="0" marginwidth="0" marginheight="0"

without using those tags because they are not supported when validating. I've lived with this through 4.01 trans validation, but I was wondering if there was any other way to achieve the same effect using possibly CSS or any other method.

If using CSS I would need it to be cross-browser IE/NS4+ and Opera.

Thanks

BTW I know its a tiny problem but it really is the only thing stopping me from getting 100% XHTML transitional validation

[ June 04, 2001 07:19 PM: Message edited by: CTH ]

Hey TN!

The only way this can be achieved with css will not work in NS4, it doesn't break or crash, just doesn't remove the margins...:(

BODY {
margin: 0;
}

Should work in IE4+, Opera, NS6, Mozilla, I-cab, etc....

I am working toward the same thing for the 6.1 files... would really be interested in what you have already done...:)

After validation is finished, will work on css support to remove most of the font tags to decrease the bandwidth requirement...

also, the reason that ns4 doesn't like it is because ns4 is outdated, and should be upgraded anyway.

Thanks Allen

Looks like I'm gonna have to stick with the old way of doing things because I like everything on my site to be backward compatible for the browsers.

I'll do some more work on the templates and let ya know Allen.

Re: NS4

Matt yea I'm sure a lot of NS4 users would upgrade if NS6 wasn't such a pos

Anyway, the next NS browser is supposed to fully support xml but having said that I remember the next version (which was to be NS6) was to fully support CSS which it doesn't by any means

[ June 05, 2001 06:47 AM: Message edited by: CTH ]

Hiya,

One last question

Does anyone know whether Search Engines when spidering title tags that include an & in their titles - would they write it in the search engine as & if you use it instead of & in the title ?

Thanks

Not sure CTH, my work in validation will include changing the "&" in the url's/ links to the more correct ";" - you can see it in the ubbpoll we have running:

https://www.ubbdev.com/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=poll

"&" doesn't validate

ah

stoopid me forgot that ubb would convert & amp; to &

well I'll try and find some way around it

Allen,

What are you up to so far with regards to making the templates and files of UBB6 xhtml compliant ?

I'm working on a few of the templates atm and rather than both do the same work I was wondering if we could see what the other could do ?

Sounds good CTH, tho I am working on 6.1, about 10 templates have changed so far up to beta 2, we get beta 3 tomorrow... then beta 4 and 5 before it is finished, so it is a moving target...:(

If not included in final code, I hope to make it available as a rather large mhk file to be done before adding mods to 6.1.

Another note, I haven't begun the xhtml 1.0 transitional validation yet, have been doing 4.01 html transitional to get it to be able to start on the xhtml...:)

I'll post here as soon as I get beta 3 tomorrow, what templates are still unchanged from 6.04e, you can work on those so we aren't doing double work, and 6.1 will be out in 2-3 weeks, just about the right time frame.

Thanks Allen - sounds good - from what I've seen of 6.1 from looking over your site (Stand318) the html seems to have been tidied up a bit, but I guess that's another benefit of having MrCapps working at IP

HTML4.01 is fine - I've just been going through the process of making my site xhtml1.0 compliant and the differences aren't really huge with the exception of closing all tags such as

and tags. It's just a bit laborious

[ June 05, 2001 06:30 PM: Message edited by: CTH ]

hey, if you guys want any more help with this, i'd be glad to jump in!

sounds good Matt, workin on it on our test board... once beta 3 is up, I'll see about getting you ftp setup if you have time to validate some code

Any news on those templates Allen ?

Or are they still being modified too much by CC and co.

I have just got my internet connection back after being down the last couple of days...:( Beta 3 came out yesterday, give me until this evening to get things sorted out... ftp is not working on the network yet.

Sorry to hear that

Well when ya have chance lemme know

I am also working on CSSing UBB.
View the source on my board.

greg, allen and i were going to work on using stylesheets to replace font tags and other minor things after the xhtml conversion is done.

I haven't forgotten CTH, I am having to go between 2 different computers to transfer files so they can be ftp'd up. Will have your answers on the templates tomorrow.

slight change of plans, it seems 6.1 is gonna be a little more extensive than first thought, so the template files are kinda up in the air right now, tho most of the work will involve the threads and the forum pages... might be well to wait until beta 5-6 is out before we jump into this too much, as I don't have any idea what CC is gonna do yet As soon as I hear, see, I'll post here what's up.

Thanks for the updates Allen

..and 6.1 seems to be getting better every day

Looking good... there seems to only be 14 public templates (so far) that haven't been changed in 6.1, and I did the work for them already. We'll get more into this later this week after the next beta is released in order for it to be ready to roll pretty much the same day as 6.1 final.

anyone know if validates in xhtml? my eyes are too tired to look it up It doesn't for some reason in 4.01 transitional

I thought that this tag was a FrontPage-specific thing...

it's a ubb™ specific thing too...;) do a "view source" on most any page...

Is similar enough?

just an fyi >>> it's a Netscape-specific tag that IE ignores when it needs to, but NS will push text past a table border in order to make sure it allows it. Not too pretty in some instances.

k, with beta 5 released, the template files are pretty much set for 6.1 final.

code validation to be worked on in earnest next week with it being shown on a demo site by the weekend

coming along nicely... forumsummary and forum page now valid to xhtml 1.0 transitional..:D

will have rest done sometime next week.

Will have a fully xhtml 1.0 transitional + css support modification ready when 6.1 is released...:D

can't wait

Well done Allen Would have liked to have helped...but no 6.1 beta for me

Thanks Chuck and CTH... I'd have liked some help, but it's really a project that's difficult to get help on as "global search and replace" is 90% of the work, then you go back and catch the individual pages that aren't quite there.

Charles, with the latest beta, has put a lot of the work into the base code as well... which is, of course, excellent. The final finishing of it will not be nearly as difficult now...

I'm still using Lynx. Any idea how the graphics will render?

-Tacks

real purty I'm sure..;)

for an idea of the difference in html 4 and xhtml 1.0, check our header and footer here, which now complies with xhtml 1.0 transitional... part of getting ready for the 6.1 upgrade... we'll have that purty lil xhtml 1.0 box image that links to w3's validator in our footers to show it actually works