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The UBB.Threads version 6.5 Changelog has been posted by Infopop!

Version 6.5 has some great feature enhancements including:
- A new upgrade utility to make upgrades even easier, verify all files have been uploaded and find/add/remove any new/changed language strings.
- A reworked new post tracking feature.
- Greater efficiency in database queries.
- Admin/Moderator name colors moved to the stylesheets
- Flood Control
- Quick Reply
- Removed some of the unused Edit/Reply buttons
- Stylesheet Preview
- Signature Preview
- Active Topics link showing topics which have been active in the last 24 hours
- Global Announcements
- Underline markup tag
- Search Engine friendly URLs
- Long URLs in posts will be truncated
- Added Admin control over the search feature
- Enhanced the badword filtering

And the best improvement:
- A totally rewritten Admin Control Panel with a much better layout and wonderful new features.

There are many more features and enhancements on the changelog. You can view the complete changelog here at UBBCentral.

Screenshots of the new Admin Control Panel have been posted here.

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OMG! How very cool!

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A live demo has been posted here

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Hurray! No more QuickReply mod, as it is standard baby! Thank god for CSS Display being integrated also. And thanks Rick for using my suggestion to edit a group's permissions from one page. I haven't read this closely, but what other mods are being integrated?

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Very nice and I really like the increased flexability for mod empowering.
Can't quite tell from the screen shots.. can mods add to specific groups? This would be nice for clubs to add there own members to the group.

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this is current functionality. Moderators can add users into and out of groups that they themselves belong in. (They don't see groups they aren't members of).

I need to investigate further in 6.5, but I assume existing functionality remains.

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Think this is more function than they have now. Just because they are a member of a group doesn't mean I want them with the power to add to that specific group, yet would still like them to add to other groups that I could choose. Really hope this is in the feature set in this next release.

Would be nice to set groups joining powers similiar to the forums. (Only admin can add, mods, users, guests, assigned member)

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No -
You can control which moderators can edit uses (and thus play with groups). But the nature of groups - you'd never want anyone seeing groups that they aren't a member of - or else people can see secret groups.

So the only real improvement is that rather than a global setting to allow moderators the ability to edit, you can customize it for specific moderators.

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thanks for clarifying. I didn't want others to see the secret group or be able to adjust it unless I had it set that way.

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There is definatley room for improvement (or hacking) of this once it's all settled on.

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I see we're still not going with the sub-forums idea still...

Other than that the new changes look great!

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incredibly sweet!! probably the only thing i've yet to grow accustomed to is the threads CP -- and now, it'll be just like classic, but better!

fantastic! :-D

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When's the expected beta release for members due out?

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When it's ready.

It's in an early private beta now, and given the scope of rewrites there's a lot of bugs to squash.

It doesn't go to public beta until those are mostly gone.

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ahhh its using proper urls now

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The changelog has an awesome feature list. The screenshots of the admin panel look incredible.

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Won't be long and I won't need to do so many mods for each update!



It would be nice to have better file attachment interfaces - such as being able to attach a file right on the compose page versus having to preview and then load. Also, being able to load more than one image would be nice.

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whoa!! i just read the full list on infopop's site... i'm actually excited!

my full-fledged step into nerdom!

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Just curious, are anyone of you guys testing (early private beta) this on a large site, say around 1 millon posts to test the speed of the search and the other new queries etc.? With 1 milion posts 6.4 is about as fast as a 72 Ford Pinto with bald tires, we need a new Corvette with a supercharger that will smoke'em in all gears.
Show me the speed baby, it's all about the speed, I want to get out of the School zone and back on the super highway.

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[]coloradok5 said:
Just curious, are anyone of you guys testing (early private beta) this on a large site, say around 1 millon posts to test the speed of the search and the other new queries etc.? With 1 milion posts 6.4 is about as fast as a 72 Ford Pinto with bald tires, we need a new Corvette with a supercharger that will smoke'em in all gears.
Show me the speed baby, it's all about the speed, I want to get out of the School zone and back on the super highway. [/]
I agree 100%. Can someone test this. It's been painful for us as well with only 660,000 posts.

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[]JoshPet said:
When it's ready.

It's in an early private beta now, and given the scope of rewrites there's a lot of bugs to squash.

It doesn't go to public beta until those are mostly gone. [/]

Any new word on when they think this might be released?

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You quoted my exact answer.
Infopop doesn't do release dates, because it's not ready until it's ready. So once they post it, it'll be announce. But there will probably be a lengthy public beta first.... I don't see that anytime real soon.

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Yeah expect it to be the timeframe of June to October at the minimum that should get some people off your back Josh LOL

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Actually I am not as pumped up for 6.5 as I was for 6.4 So it gets here when it gets here.

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Just had a look in my crystal ball - and I can confirm it is scheduled for release in 2004


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how can you not be as pumped for 6.5?

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He hasn't seen the admin area yet.

I have.

Get pumped.

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yeah but thats for me.. not for the users.. 6.4 added a so-so calendar system and a whole new poll system for the users

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Josh write a mod to reply "When it's done ™" to any posts or replies asking when the next version will be released. LOL


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Josh write a mod to reply "When it's done ™" to any posts or replies asking when the next version will be released. LOL [/]

Maybe we can get Allen to manually add the replies []http://www.vhfans.com/boards/images/graemlins/sssh.gif[/]

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Yeah expect it to be the timeframe of June to October at the minimum that should get some people off your back Josh LOL [/]

Chuck,

I for one am not overly impressed at the fact that I paid Infopop a tremendous amount of money for two years of access to the Member area and 6.5 may not be released until October (ha-ha). I'm afraid that is not acceptable when there are two very popular open source alternatives out there, one of which is extremely feature-packed and like .threads has various user "mods" available to install.

I think Infopop needs to understand that those of us who have paid for Membership expect more frequent updates otherwise why bother to pay for UBB.threads? Seriously. In all honestly, had I known about the alternative before upgrading from .classic to .threads I most certainly would have considered it before forking over so much money.

All I'm suggesting is to please have more patience and understanding when people poke and Prod at you guys about "the next release". I have yet to do it but I too am anxious for 6.5 and 7.0, etc. When I read your anticipated time line for 6.5 I felt a little discouraged about supporting Infopop Corp. and for the $328.00 USD I recently forked over and I believe I speak for more people than just myself here.

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Jason - I'm not sure you know what you're talking about. Their newsletter a few days ago indicated that 6.5 was "coming soon".

I don't know - I've never seen any other software with such frequent releases.

The "october" above was a joke. Nobody knows - Infopop does not give release dates ahead of time. The real answer is "when it's ready". Yet people don't read the thread then come along and ask for a date again.

Infopop releases new versions as often as some people change their socks. Although they never publicize specific release dates ahead of time.

The reason why nobody can give a date is that there is no "date" fixed. Infopop has a release schedule in mind I'm sure - but the real answer is "when it's ready". Partucularly when stuff is rewritten as much as it was in 6.5 - the beta period is longer.

We are up to a dev4 release and when there are no more bugs to be found, it'll move to a public beta, which most likely will uncover more bugs and several betas. My guess would be that a public beta will be around shorly.

But if you look back at the announcement forum at infopop - you'll see that there seems to be a new release every two or three months. And the current release has only been out a bit over a month.

So not sure how much more frequent updates you'd like??? ... a release every week? every other day? LOL

Every couple of months is defainly faster than most stuff gets released. I think VB version 3 has been in BETA for at least a couple of years. LOL

Nobody that knows anything about it said anything about October.

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Hi Josh,

My post was based on the reply about a June - October release date and the don't ask mentality. I did not realise that the post I replied to was from someone who doesn't "know anything about it". Joke or not it was not appropriate to post IMO due to the fact that we all pay good money to Infopop and put faith in them to keep .threads quite a few steps ahead of the open source bb's available. I'm sorry if that sounds harsh but it's how I feel. That reply did reflect on Infopop when I read it and had no effect at all on how I feel about this site and all it offers.

The first time I read that post it struck a nerve and I kept quiet until I re-read it today. It still bothered me so I posted a reply. I have personally spoken to Chuck via PM and e-mail in the past and I think he's a nice guy, particularly helpful too but that aside it was inappropriate regardless the number of times the question is asked IMO.

In any case I stand corrected and I'd like to thank you for pointing out the fact that had I read the annoucement forum at Infopop, I would realise that there is a new release every two or three months although I was referring to major releases with new features.

One of my new members who migrated from an open source aviation forum yesterday asked for some of the features they had over there. I went out on a limb and advised that member that Infopop is surely on top of what the free bb systems are offering and the features are in the works for later releases, although 6.5 looks to be primarily an administrator release (as mentioned above) and won't affect our members in any significantly noticable way. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy that .threads is going to introduce what .classic has had for some time already.

In any case, you are right I've only been a .threads customer for 3 months or so. 6.4 was just released when I upgraded from .classic. Again I based my reply on what I read and assumed to be true.

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[]Infopop releases new versions as often as some people change their socks. [/] Actually between Photopost and INopop that is what annoys me the most. I hate constantly having to upgrade my software

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...unless they are major releases including new features, in which case I'm sure the inconvenience is worth while otherwise you wouldn't bother, right?

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And I've got quite a handfull of licenses that I personally have paid for at full pice as well. So I'm right there with you. They release stuff plenty fast enough.

2004 saw 2 major releases - 6.3 and 6.4 and several minor releases of each of those.

Another thing to keep in mind - some of the open source 'free' stuff does have alot of features. But infopop does not add features willey-nilly without first making sure that performance is not comprimised.

This is a professional product, which has to perform well for millions of posts and tens of thousands of members. It does. It's probably never have "everything but the kitchen sink" as far as features goes. But it'll work, and work well.

Infopop could easily add every hack found here and have the most feature rich product on the planet. But it sure wouldn't perform very well. So always remember, you get what you pay for.

Nothing is added in threads without first making sure that performance and reliability is not comprimised.

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Hi Josh, thanks for the info. Without doubt, UBB.threads is a stable and an enjoyable bb system to administer. Having said that and regarding stability, this is what one of the open source developers say about their software:

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The project has been stable since its creation in June 2000 without changes in licencing, leadership or corporate associations. Our goals remain unchanged and clear, to continue developing and supporting a stable, free, opensource forum system.

xxxxx is a high powered, fully scalable, and highly customisable open-source bulletin board package. xxxxx has a user-friendly interface, simple and straightforward administration panel, and helpful FAQ. Based on the powerful PHP server language and your choice of MySQL, MS-SQL, PostgreSQL or Access/ODBC database servers, xxxxx is the ideal free community solution for all web sites.

...version 2 focuses on a professional-quality modular design, high security, multiple-language interface, support for a multitude of databases servers and complete layout customisation, all with a low execution overhead.

xxxxx is based on PHP, the fastest growing server-side scripting language on the web, which results in one of the fastest, feature-rich bulletin board systems available anywhere.

-Active community creating addons and specialised modifications

-Default style compliant with XHTML 1.0 and HTML 4.01 recommendations from the W3C
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I'll re-evaluate my need for UBB.threads in 2005 when my current paid Member area licence expires. Until then I am quite happy with what I am providing for my Members. Good job because Infopop products are 100% non-refundable after purchase. Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking Infopop, I'm just pointing out that there are open source projects out there claiming to be just as stable as .threads that seem to be able to offer their community stable, feature rich software with import utilities as well.

Of course there is a certain prestige associated with using a name-brand product... but once your site is popular and you've been using it a few years, does it really matter? It seems the smart thing to do would be to have a good look at all your options and pay particular attention to stability, Member features and integration with other products you've purchased.

It was kind of you to reply to my concerns, Josh. You should join Infopop as a sales rep!

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I have used every forum software out there, free, or pay. I own licenses of vbulletin, threads, had classic before. You name it, I've used it. And as I've said before, nothing compares. Those free platforms that say "full scalable" are full of ****. They are so bloated with neat little features and bells and whistles that any large community (thousnads of members, and hundreds of thousands of posts) will simply not hold up to the task. Yes, they may still work, but you will be spending thousands of dollars on server upgrades just to make it run as fast as you want, which will cost you more than threads would have to begin with.

The other forums, from an admin standpoint are a nightmare to try and manage and customize. Some paid forums even, if you want a custom "skin" or new look for your site, be expected to shell out more money. Here with threads, you can get dozens of FREE stylesheets, or if you're friends with someone, they may even design you one for free or provide assistance.

And of course you have security issues... look at all the exploits available out there, but you're opening yourself up to being hacked, maybe even your whole server brought down. Yes, the free forums try to release the updates, but you'd think they would design their software more securely to begin with With threads, I think there was one little security flaw mentioned as far as I can remember in the past few years, and that was promptly fixed.

So IMO, it's a small price to pay for a professional product that is going to hold up to a very rapid and growing membership of a popular forum. I also know I'm becoming part of a very active community and can get hacks, mods, or help with almost anything I need. I've had people, for free, write custom code for me. I mean that is just awesome. But you really can't go wrong, since when it comes to software, a lot of times the old cliche "You get what you pay for" holds very true.

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Hi Josh,

My post was based on the reply about a June - October release date and the don't ask mentality. I did not realise that the post I replied to was from someone who doesn't "know anything about it". Joke or not it was not appropriate to post IMO due to the fact that we all pay good money to Infopop and put faith in them to keep .threads quite a few steps ahead of the open source bb's available. I'm sorry if that sounds harsh but it's how I feel. That reply did reflect on Infopop when I read it and had no effect at all on how I feel about this site and all it offers.

The first time I read that post it struck a nerve and I kept quiet until I re-read it today. It still bothered me so I posted a reply. I have personally spoken to Chuck via PM and e-mail in the past and I think he's a nice guy, particularly helpful too but that aside it was inappropriate regardless the number of times the question is asked IMO.

In any case I stand corrected and I'd like to thank you for pointing out the fact that had I read the annoucement forum at Infopop, I would realise that there is a new release every two or three months although I was referring to major releases with new features.

One of my new members who migrated from an open source aviation forum yesterday asked for some of the features they had over there. I went out on a limb and advised that member that Infopop is surely on top of what the free bb systems are offering and the features are in the works for later releases, although 6.5 looks to be primarily an administrator release (as mentioned above) and won't affect our members in any significantly noticable way. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy that .threads is going to introduce what .classic has had for some time already.

In any case, you are right I've only been a .threads customer for 3 months or so. 6.4 was just released when I upgraded from .classic. Again I based my reply on what I read and assumed to be true.

Jason [/]

One thing to keep in mind is that 99% of this community is users. If it doesn't come from Scream or Navaho, then it is just conjecture and speculation...or just for fun. If its got LOL in it, that's usually a good clue that its light harted.

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