UBB.Developers Forums General Discussion Suggestions and Feedback Need comparisons - UBBThreads vs Vbulletin, etc...

Summary of your aguments:

1) vBulletin is slower than wwwthreads. No proof needed
2) You are questioned on evidence for this
3) Oh.. vbulletin has more queries.
4) You are questioned on why this matters
5) Your answer, because if there is nothing else to test it on (ie actual server load) then that is all we have to go by
6) Therefore, for allan queries = performance. I am afraid that shows complete ignorance as has already been shown. Performance is not based simply around the number of queries. As any db person can tell you 2 queries can sometimes be faster than 1.

Your specific points:

1) Show me that templates being stored in a database is less efficient than a file system please if you want to claim this
2) By storing templates in the database we have accesss to greater level of features inclduing cobranding, multiple styles etc as well as some nice new features that you won't see until vb3 (sure it is vaporware for you but not for me).

The problem here is you made unsubstantiated claims about performance of another product. You have failed to provide any evidence what so ever for your claims apart from suggesting that there are more queries. That is like saying, well vbulletin has more PHP code (i don't know if it does) and because there is more PHP code to parse then it is going to be slower. Utter rubbish. To proove performance is slow you need to compare two forums. As you have not done this your claim is unsubstantiated.

And lastly you suggest that a) site is slow (which one?) and you talk about other things being equal. Well they are clearly not, vbulletin has more features than wwwthreads as has already been shown so has more queries. Even if it was slower and more resource intensive it would not particularly worry me because the extra features are worth it, but given that I have found no evidence that suggests that it is any way slower. In fact most of the large forus out there with 1 million + posts and lots of online users are generally using either something built in house or vbulletin.